I was reading up on some handguns to help a friend chose one to buy since they feel threatened when they work in the woods–she felt she was approached by a bunch of wild/feral dogs while she consulted for a client.
I suggested some safety-laden handguns for her to review, and while we were looking on-line, I came upon this analysis of ‘guns vs. no guns.’
I generally laugh when I read a ‘pro-gun’ or an ‘anti-gun’ position that uses ’statistics’ and ‘analysis’ to ‘justify’ their position. People… we can disagree without getting upset or thinking the other person is ‘an idiot.’
I always write so the ‘moderator’ thinks I am irritated with their article. Then I use calm language and facts to one of many solutions that I think might work to solve the perceived problem.
Here is my response…
I am surprised by your response…
“There’s the rub. If they were not to hand, they could not be handled irresponsibily.”
Well… We might as well make the possession of ammonium nitrate, knives, cars, and other items capable of causing individual or massive damage, illegal!
You state this as well…
“This is significant because less than 10% of UK murders involve firearms (60 from roughly 800), while in the USA the figure is around 65-70% (2004: 11,624 from 16,137).”
I hate to mention it, but were all those murders in the UK from rifles? If not, it seems making handguns illegal won’t stop the murders–it just means that the average citizen can’t own a handgun. You see, the criminal doesn’t care what the law says…
What is the murder rate in the UK vs. the USA? Per population? What are the issues involved–crime, hate-group involvement, etc? You can’t simply look at specific rates. At least you focus on murder rate and don’t use the death by firearm that many use–which includes suicides…
I don’t see anyone suggesting we don’t … fly any more since September 11 just because some terrorist used a perfectly good weapon (da plane) in an irresponsible manner.
Your comment:
“I’ll think about that next time I kill someone with a Liquorice Allsort or assault them with a Hamster.”
does not address his comment. Rather than make a subjective statement, address the issue or your argument is very weak.
It would be easier to remove the ability to fly or drive as those ‘rights’ are not even listed in the Constitution.
Look at the Bill of Rights–a national expert pointed this out to me. What do those Amendments guarantee? To whom are those rights guaranteed?
You might find some way to disagree, but those amendments guarantee rights to all citizens rather than to a specific group of people. Even the criminals are entitled to those rights…
Perhaps you should realize that everyone (even the criminal) has rights even if you don’t like them. Instead of trying to remove the rights people have, try to make a solid, valuable, and constructive suggestion on how to reduce violence.
You state:
“This is significant because less than 10% of UK murders involve firearms (60 from roughly 800), while in the USA the figure is around 65-70% (2004: 11,624 from 16,137).”
What I’d like to see is what is the murder rate… Do you think that the murder rate would change if guns/handguns were never available or do you think that the murderer would simply choose a different … weapon? Remember, without the intent to kill with malice aforethought, there is no murder. Whether the person uses a gun, a bat, a car, or other ‘item’ is irrelevant.
Who is committing the murders? What is the breakdown of CCW permit holders vs. non-holders? What percentage or number are under-age?
You shouldn’t say “That person ate meat and he died” to support your vegan cause. People who eat plants die too. What caused the death? What was his genetic predisposition? There are MANY things that affect death, and focusing on generalities is not accurate or helpful in my opinion.
People need to be taught, starting at a young age, how to reason and identify and solve problems. Taking a position and stating that everyone else is wrong is not logical or reasonable — even if you are right (and I don’t think you are).
The difference between those who I know and you is that you appear to want everyone to be/think/live like you–everything else is wrong. I prefer to allow diversity in thought so that people have the freedom to do what they think is right for them without being limited by what I want to see/hear/etc. I don’t guess you suggest my freedom of speech should be limited because you don’t like what I am saying? I certainly support your right to have your position. I think you are mistaken that any inanimate object can be a ‘killer’ just because it is an object.
Certainly, chemicals react with air/water and may explode at a certain point with no human interaction, but I don’t think there is any ‘intent’ to kill in that instance.
What drives a person to kill? I don’t have all those answers, but research on that topic and how to limit disagreements and the feelings/emotions that lead one party or both parties to get so emotional as to feel a need to use violence to ’solve’ the problem would be much more valuable than to simply yell, “you are wrong” while providing bad data that only supports your side.
Unfortunately, nobody doing any of these discussions actually appears to look look at really good data. Do some Google/Yahoo searches for the Texas study that looked at data between CCW permit holders and the average citizen population. What was found?
How can we, as a society, allow differences that make this country great while protecting our safety? Teach psychology starting in elementary school as it deals with bullies, inadequacy, etc. so that people learn why people do what they do and to assist in everyone knowing productive ways to resolve disagreements.
You aren’t going to remove disagreements–my guess is you and your closest friends disagree on certain issues. However, I doubt you end up picking up a book and throwing it at them (or do you?). Perhaps you, like most of us, have tools at your disposal to resolve these emotional issues instead of resorting to violence.
The people we need to worry about are those people who are not capable of rationalizing behavior and a method to solve disagreements.
Funny that you don’t realize that…
If we all could rationalize appropriately so that we don’t let our emotional response get to ‘that point,’ the free availability of guns, poison, etc. wouldn’t be relevant since there would be no violence anyway.
So… What is better? Remove guns and don’t address the underlying issue as you suggest? I’d suggest we start trying to solve the problem with a solution rather than address the ‘runny nose.’ By solving the problem, we remove the deaths and much more than the runny noses…
Of course, that is just my opinion…