It happens often, and sometimes we are to blame…
I was visiting a site for teachers, and I noticed a few threads. One deals with a student that “poops in their pants” and the other deals with a child that “drools” and spreads said drool over their desk.
Let me show you a response to the first:
i had a pooper several years ago (i teach 6th!)
it was a medical condition….can’t remember the actual name of it–something like endocrinosis (that’s not it!) encropsis….something….
anyway, he really didn’t know he was going or had control–but he would know he had gone–but he just sat in it–and smelled! whoowee!
that kid had parents that were WAY too old to be having kids so they had a “different” parenting style with him. for example, they took him to a 9:00 showing of a rated R movie on a school night–not abusive “bad” parents–just…..different.
anyway, my kid ended up in the TLC room (ED students) but it wasn’t the pooping that caused this–they had been working on that referral process in 5th grade too.
good luck!
Yes, the teacher said, “I had a pooper.”
Here is another…
As the school year has progressed, I’ve been learning more about my students (I’ve been looking at their cums, IEPs, etc.). I have one student, a male, who has a one on one aide. His IEP is as thick as a book! Anyway, I knew right off the bat that he had some form of ADHD, and that was documented in the IEP. It says he has sensory difficulties, ADHD, and processing difficulties. He is pretty smart, though. As I talked to some of his past teachers, they all told me they had a terrible time with him because he would poop his pants, starting from 1st grade on up! His former teachers would even find his “stuff” in the room (one time behind a bookcase! EEEWWW!). One teacher called the union, the health department, but no one could do anything about it.
There is a total of ONE LINE on his entire IEP that mentions “bowel problems”. There were no behavior modifications for this. Meanwhile, I know of at least 2 occasions where he has pooped his pants in my classroom - 4th grade! He refuses to acknowledge it happened, even though we smell it. Little parent support - parents have their head in the sand, don’t know what they think when he comes home after sitting in his “stuff” all day! They won’t even take him to the doctor to see if it is physiological or emotional (I think emotional). Don’t you think this kid should be in an ED class of some kind? Tomorrow I willl send him to the office if he does it again, and let them handle it. What would you suggest? Haven’t met the parents yet. Should I call another IEP for him, even though he’s not due for one until April? What if the parents don’t care? How can I deal with this for the rest of the year???
My Comment
No, I don’t think he needs to be in an ED class of some kind… Perhaps you need to act mature and deal with the situation like an adult. Complaining that YOU have to deal with the situation is not helping the student or you. Rather, your frustration and lack of patience and understanding is the problem. If you understood what encopresis was, you would know that up to 2% of “kids,” up to age 17 even, suffer from this medical condition (that can be treated and cured).
Instead, most of the teachers seemed to say make an issue out of it in class. Make the child acknowledge he did poop in his pants! As if any child wants to acknowledge to the whole class they just pooped in their pants.
Again, encopresis is a medical condition, and the child may not feel it or smell it due to the condition. While YOU, the teacher, do not understand that issue, I bet you understand a situation where people who live around a paper mill no longer smell the mill… If you can understand that, you should understand the child in your class…
Call a meeting with the parents. Explain the issue and show them what encopresis means. Ask them if they are seeing a medical doctor (physician) and recommend they see one if they currently are not discussing the issue with a physician.
Simple to solve that crap… Just be patient with them as the treatment progresses just as everyone will be patient with you, the teacher, as you try to not be so judgmental about those who you are supposed to be supporting and teaching…
Drool
The second posting dealt with a child that drooled on their desk and spread the saliva over the desk.
The poster original poster stated
I had a student (1st grade) taking the saliva out of his mouth and spreading it all over the activity table like finger paint. YUCK. It is a kid with severe food allergies and the class families go out of their way to keep this kid safe. Then he thinks nothing of spreading his germs to the others. 20 years of teaching and I have never had a kid take the drool out of their mouth and spread it around.
A comment followed that, in part, stated
that kid had parents that were WAY too old to be having kids so they had a “different” parenting style with him. for example, they took him to a 9:00 showing of a rated R movie on a school night–not abusive “bad” parents–just…..different.
Yes, parents that are “too old” to be having kids leads to kids having problems and “issues.” I’m not even going to address the judgment of the parenting style comment regarding the 9:00pm, R-rated movie… On this “rating” topic, I think the “rating” board is rather conservative (as I think, obviously, is the teacher).
The funniest yet most offensive comment was
All I can see is ewwwwwwwwwwwwww! Gagging as I read.
Yes, constructive commenting…
My response?
I hate to say it, but why does a teacher respond with
” All I can see is ewwwwwwwwwwwwww! Gagging as I read.”
Children are not adults, and they do not think as we do. Some children have development problems, and we should not expect them to “act” or behave like everyone else.
Yet, you will kiss someone else and share the same bacteria that is in their mouth and, likely, think nothing of it or even enjoy it… Logic in our thinking, please…
Simply make him/her clean the table and explain why such behavior is “not allowed” in your class. Punishment may not help in certain situations where a medical and/or behavioral reason explains the issue…such as encopresis (soiling of the pants by those who are already potty-trained).
Learn that your values are yours and should not be “taught” to the kids. What? Exclude a child from a group or embarrass them due to some behavior? Right, lets teach our kids that type of behavior…
Instead, we should understand their issues (at least try to understand them). A thread on here once said “I have a pooper too,” and I read that and cringed. Right, as if all of us “teachers” are perfect… The term is encopresis, and it is a medical issue that generally can be solved. Publicizing the issue and embarrassing the child does not help. Rather, that type of behavior shows an inability to be part of a solution in an appropriate way (and says something about you as a Teacher and a person doesn’t it?).
Your “drooling” child could have a behavioral problem and/or a medical problem. Talk to the parent(s), but why embarrass the child? That solves nothing and causes many other problems–social stigma, cliques, bullying, …
Talk to the child, explain your rules and reasoning, and discuss the issue with a parent or with all parents.
Whatever you decide, public embarrassment is NOT appropriate and leads to many more problems than it solves.
Summary
The teachers had not experienced anything like they were seeing (or smelling). Yet, they, like many humans, tend to jump to conclusions regarding the children, the parents, the problem, and possible solutions rather than identify the problem (such as encopresis) and how to constructively deal with the issue facing them and their classes.
Teachers are not expected to know everything, but they are expected to learn and discuss relevant issues without assuming… We know what it means when we assume…
Teachers are supposed to NOT act like kids or high-schoolers. Teachers should not want to “make an example” out of a child since such action leads to bullying, social stigma, and cliques. The teacher should want to solve the problem 1-on-1 with the student. I guess it is possible the teacher would prefer the principal deal with the teacher’s issues in front of the whole faculty… No, what was I thinking?
So, teachers… Please research.
A simple google or yahoo for “poop pants 10-year old” would bring up references to encopresis and, likely, your forum topic. How hard would it be for you to look at those definitions, call a meeting with the parents, and suggest some medical care/follow-up?
Regarding the child that drooled, I think the simple response is to make the child clean up the saliva and desktop, discuss why such behavior is not allowed in the class, and call a parent meeting if the child continues with the behavior-in case there is a medical or psychological reason for the student’s behavior.
Please tell me you wouldn’t have reacted like most of those other responders… Identify the problem, solve the problem. Creating more problems for the child creates by publicly getting the child to admit their actions, embarrassing the child, or other “punishment” may more problems for you since you will have to deal with name-calling, social cliques, bullying, and other kid-related problems.
Please tell me that you as adults don’t continue to name-call? If so, please look up bullying and other psychology-related posts that discusses why people name-call or attempt to make others “look bad.” You might learn something and become more mature-not to mention a better person.
What say you?